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alain

I don't think anyone can accuse Fred of being unfair. He is probably only reacting to a bunch of nasty tactics to try to hurt a company he is invested in and cares about.

Every entrepreneur would like their VCs to be involved and displaying true team spirit. So he is involved? Well great that is the way every VC should be.

Lastly it's so sad to see two European startups which seem to have found a market try to hurt one another. Viagogo's attitude looks like Vente-privee.com with its competitors. We should be happy many start ups are succeeding. And so Fred would only react this way if Viagogo didn't play by the rules. Otherwise he is very supportive of startups and many in which he didn't invest in.

Nigel

The irony of Viagogo's strategy is that it comes from Baker's time at StubHub, before he left in 2004. The vast majority of StubHub's absolute growth occurred after that, and had little to do with team deals. Their new MLB deal was actually signed after the eBay acquisition.

GMC

Excuse me Sir, but SEATWAVE partners London Irish and the colour GREEN is key to their brand. Is there a problem with your partners colour there? No, didn't think so.

Please be competitive in your remarks by all means with regard to Viagogo but leave the petty comments at home. Shows a distinct lack of tack.

Kind Regards,

GMC
London Irish Supporter

PS Any idea what London Irish would say about your distaste of the colour green, well I'll email Ian Taylor, the London Irish Chief Exec and see what he has to say. Cheers!

Alex

Point taken on the channel - if you look at it purely from the point of view of "reach", they might be good choice.
The only alternative would be paper ads in Student magazines - or a model where you re-imburse people who put the banner on their websites if through that banner a ticket was sold.
Actually not a too bad solution - you can engineer the banner content centrally and based on data dropped on registration. Plus, if a ticket is sold you can probably go up to a Euro for the "sales agent" which makes the model attractive for local websites..
Hmm. Sure that exists already.

fred Destin

@ Alex: you know your assesment of StudiVZ is not one dissimilar from mine in the early days. As an angel friend told me, he declined to invest b/c they did not even bother changing the layout (as compared to Facebook). I don't know about the privacy violations which clearly don't sound too good, but the end-result is that after flawless execution in penetrating the universities they are the most relevant player for the target audience of seatwave. The new CEO is a great guy etc so they sound like a good channel. Like all partnerships this will be demonstrated (or not) over time.

@Thomas: I don't write posts like "deal envy" about Netvibes (done by Index and Accel) b/c I am "afraid of not being a leader". We have always treated Viagogo as a serious, better funded competitor with a serious execution guy as CEO. This does not remove my slight surprise at both their strategy and negotiation tactics. But thanks for this insight, I will modify the tone of the post slightly so as not to appear too one sided.

Thomas

Seems like you are rather obsessed with viagogo. You sound like an envious follower talking about a leader that is out of reach.

Alex

C'mon - StudiVZ is sort of the worst example for a "startup". An idea and layout which looked strangely close to another site focusing the exact same target market in the US (reminds me of Alando, the german ebay clone). Questionable investments, a brilliant business plan ("online marketing"), an investor which is not following any clear idea on where and in what they invest. Not sure that that environment is "positive".
Around all that some of the most prominent privacy violations in germany in 2007, not to forget the bizarre public posure of the "founders".

The money from Holtzbrinck, fine. But believe me, showing up with a partnership with StudiVZ is not really carrying "trust" with it - in my eyes. But my eyes might be wrong :-)

And to answer your question - after the mess created by Kartenhaus I prefer to buy my tickets online from the theater directly. Or from FNAC. Oh there's ticketshop.ch as well. Amiando. Some others. All of them very traditional and in a healthy distance to StudiVZ.

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