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Jeff Clavier

Liquidation can either be a change of control (sale) or wind up (close) of a business. The double dip (or the two bites of the apple, no cherry here :-) is sometimes an issue but many of the (early stage) deals I have done or seen recently were 1X non participating.

Sometimes VCs will put a preference wall in front of early stage founders to motivate them to look at the mid to long term, and avoid focusing on a short term M&A event. But all in all negotiating a cap of 1X, 2X or 3X is missing the point - which is that you want to build a company that will return 10X or more.

Also remember that F&W is a good but not exact proxy since these numbers only relate to cos that Fenwick has been involved in. So their numbers are skewed based on the types of businesses and stages that they serve (though they are a full service firm and as such has a broad spectrum of clients).

Paul Jozefak

I have to agree with Jeff that the "cap" of 4X or whatever you choose kind of defeats the purpose. Anything regarding "caps" somehow throws off expectations up front when negotiating the deal. If nothing else it skews each party's role!

I tend to always see it as a point on which to "compromise" because it also is one which really pisses off founders. You also said it yourself that it complicates things and compromising here leads to more clarity.

Fred Destin

I think the F&W data is based on 90 companies so I assumed it was based on a broader sample than just their work, otherwise it would indeed indicate only their skew as legal advisor ! If this is not the case then the title of my post is misleading. The point I was trying to make is that assumptions about West Coast terms are sometimes a bit too rosy. I will do further posts on what is wrong with Euro VC terms b/c I fully subscribe to your comments, i.e. that we are focusing on creating strong insurance policies in our set of terms rather than focus on growing large and succesful businesses. Personally I have always found part prefs slightly unpalatable.

Jeff Clavier

Well, the data F&W is reporting might include more than their own clients, though I had a feeling that those were deals where they were involved on either side (co or investor).
Tier 1 VCs have started to cap preferred participation a year ago (?) voluntarily because there is so much a VC can try to get. Owning too much of a company, and getting too much of the economic interest, means that the team is no longer incentivized. I have not found the same sense of balance from a lot of European investors, where I have seen too often a funding negotiation done on a win-lose basis - not win-win.

Fred Destin

You will get no argument from me on that one !!

Jason Ball

There was an article in the Venture Capital Journal earlier in the summer (available here) that argued for a return to "pre-bubble" plain vanilla convertible preferred stock with a 1x liquidation preference citing knock-on effects in follow-on funding rounds that tend to disadvantage early investors.

This is a philosophy I'd like to see gain some traction- we don't use preferred participating for a variety of reasons, but lean towards convertibles or straight equity. I think there's merit in the the VCJ article and believe preferred participating does move value from the entrepreneur (or early investor) to the new (later) investor.

Interestingly, Brad's article also argues that preferred participating can disadvantage early investors as well.

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